Wednesday, January 26, 2011

Tri-Valley University Fiasco – Lessons to be Learnt

If I have an US visa stamped in my passport my dowry will surely double. Right now since I have an engineering degree, I will get at least 50 lakhs Indian rupees as dowry. Having a visa stamp, my dowry will shoot up by at least another 50 lakhs. I “somehow” have to get a US visa and land in US”. This is what a colleague of mine told me over 12 years back when I asked him why he is so desperate to go to USA. 
Why did I remember this story now? After I read the news that hundreds of Indian students who enrolled in Tri-Valley University face possible deportation I remembered about my colleague. Like my colleague I have met a lot of people who just want to land up in US by any hook or by crook and I am sure over 95% of the students studying in Tri-Valley University will fall under this category. You don’t even have a “common sense” to know that this Tri-Valley University is fake – just browse their website for 5 minutes and if you cannot make it that they are fake then you are good for nothing. 
Is there a single page in Tri-Valley University website that doesn’t have grammar mistakes. Even yahoo had an article on that the other day about the grammatical errors in the website. 
Now go to their home page and read this
Our mission is to make Christian scientists, engineers, business leaders and lawyers for the glory of God, with both solid academic professionalism and Christian faith, therefore to live out Christ-like characters, value and compassion in the world, to make an impact and shine as its light.
Christian scientists, engineers…. Phew… I never knew that… They were merely using a loophole in California law that give some privileges to schools based on Christian faith. 
Now go the Research tab of Tri-Valley University website and I am sure you cannot stop laughing after reading the first paragraph 
Tri-Valley University has computer lab including more than 13 laptops and 5 desktops. Most of the computers are equipped with both window and linux operation system to run many EDA tools, such as Synopsis EDA tool and Xilink webpack etc. Tri-Valley University has research programs in Analog IC, Digital IC, MEMS, Software Programming and Data Mining areas. 
Thirteen laptops and 5 desktops – these days in every home you may find more computers than that, right? What more proof than these do you need for a person to smell something fishy with this university? 
I have been following the Tri-Valley University for the past few years. I first came to know about this University when someone told me that if you join this University you can do full time (40 hours) Curriculum Practical Training (CPT) from the very first semester which I knew was against law. Lots of people who cannot get their company to sponsor their H1B visa or want to stay back in US somehow enrolled in hundreds to earn some quick bucks through the illegal program offered by Tri-Valley University. 
Do I have any sympathy for those students who join Tri-Valley University and now crying for help in various forums? NO. They all need to be deported and never allowed to enter US again. This will help hundreds of others in US who came there genuinely, to pursue their studies and who never took any short cut and are trying hard to settle there. Also deporting all those who played with the law will make all those back in India who “somehow” want to land in US think twice before they take these shortcuts. 
Now with the new rules of increasing the H1B fees and the necessity of end client letter having almost closed the H1B visa shops called “desi consultants” and with this cleaning of the education sector of bad worms, let us hope that only deserving people land up in US.
Lesson to be Learnt - "Shortcuts" to go the US are close to extinction.
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59 Comments:

Blogger chand said...

Hello,

This university basically good for who are on dependent visa like house wifes... No student directly join in this university..House wifes will get a kind of work permit (CPT, OPT.. you have no knowledge about this i guess).. People say about dowry ie just for fun time only but in reality, they want to have a good life... Yes, people will look for dowry, but he dont enjoy with that dowry..he will keep it for his kids for their future life..

First of all change your thoughts.

January 26, 2011 2:53 PM  
Anonymous Sree said...

Its a great thing that you are writing this .. but have you ever tried searching for Tri-Valley University back in May 2009 or Jan 2010. FYI most of the students were enrolled during this period. You were talking about common scene for students .. but I guess you have just lacked it.
A person who is proficient enough in English would in general scan through a line and get the essence of it. If you need some more info on this just search for this. Its a human tendency to look at the first and last words and get the word. Thousands of them must have visited the website and why is that only now the grammatical mistakes of the website are being pointed.
Write something that you discover or think from a creative perspective not something that others write and you just put few lines on that issue.
If you are not accepting this comment on your page I have taken a screen shot and that will directly go on to your Facebook to show what you and your blog are worth.

January 26, 2011 3:42 PM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

Chad,
You are telling someone who did his MS and PhD there that he does not know about CPT and OPT….Leave that… if house wives are in dependent visa they are not eligible for CPT or OPT…please update your knowledge before commenting. If you think that no student join this university directly I will tell you that you are ignorant about the facts

January 26, 2011 4:22 PM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

Sree…
I have been following Tri Valley University for the last few years as I was sure that law will catch them soon. I have written a lot about H1B and F1 visas and issues and you can see it in my blog itself…

Dude, don’t threaten me… this is my blog and I will decide what comment to be in my blog and what not.. Please enlighten me how you can put a screen shot in my Facebook without my permission. You may try to put anything in my Facebook page but wont see the light of the day.

January 26, 2011 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Your Father said...

Hey Buddy..
I am your father..
Where do you think you got all this information. Dont you have any other work ?? Do you have a real work or do you get paid for writing blogs and spreading rumor ?? I pity your life..

January 26, 2011 6:51 PM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

When faced with truth that is bitter to swallow I have seen lot of losers like you using name calling and stuff like that. Please tell me one thing that is wrong in what I wrote…
Thanks
Your child

January 26, 2011 6:59 PM  
Blogger Karthikeyan said...

This post seems to have touched some nerves i see. Just want to address a couple of points raised in the comments section -

@Chand

1) Just because a desi wants his wife to earn, it doesn't mean abusing F1 visa, CPT and OPT is fine. Know what CPT and OPT programs are and what they stand for. They weren't designed to let "housewives" work.

2) If one wants to leave behind wealth for his progeny, better work and do it. This familial RobinHood (plunder from my father-in-law and give it to my children) noble stance notwithstanding, dowry is reprehensible. You can put only so much lipstick on a pig.

@Sree -

3) "You were talking about common scene for students .. but I guess you have just lacked it."

"ts a human tendency to look at the first and last words and get the word."

I tried hard to get through to the word through this rambling. I did look at the first work and last words (multiple times) and still didn't get the word. Believe me, i really couldn't. What is offensive to you? The fact that law has caught up with a fraud or the fact that a fellow desi is saying what is happening is only correct? Cut the rambling and get to the point.

@ Father who likes to hide - Whats your point?

January 26, 2011 8:06 PM  
Anonymous Nikhil Reddy said...

Hi Brijesh~

Onething I would like to say how many students who come from India know about university accredition. And I myself have no idea where to check it until I saw some discussions on this issue. As you said most of them joined TVU for a status issue as there employer failed to file theie H1's. After paying some 30,000 to 40,000 dollors to finish their masters, stuck with the recession for the last two years without jobs having lakhs of loans which has to be payed and you expect the International student to pay another 6 to 7 thousand a semester to join good universities. Don't just read the articles and write some stuff on your blog. I know its your blog but being an Indian your writing would hurt lot of them. And writing about the dowry is such a foolish thing I don't even comment on that, it clearly states how good is your thinking. Nothing wrong in trying to be a hero but look for a better way than this.

January 26, 2011 8:20 PM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

"After paying some 30,000 to 40,000 dollors to finish their masters, stuck with the recession for the last two years without jobs having lakhs of loans which has to be payed and you expect the International student to pay another 6 to 7 thousand a semester to join good universities."

If I understood correctly studying in Tri-Valley University is legal even though the degree has no value (since that school is not accredited) but the trouble comes when students started doing stuff like CPT from the first semester that is illegal. Lot of them enrolled in this school just to do CPT that is against law. Again if you do something illegal trying to save few bucks you may end up ruining your entire career and in that process loosing more bucks than you saved.

If a fellow Indian is doing something wrong should I just keep quiet? Is that what you are telling me? Dowry is a social evil in India and if you look around you can see lot of cases of dowry in marriages involving bridegrooms from US

January 26, 2011 8:37 PM  
Anonymous JoeF said...

Thank you.
I get hate responses each time I say that the TVU "students" are as guilty as the owner of TVU.

January 26, 2011 10:49 PM  
Blogger Anand said...

Brijesh - a good eye-opener, thank you! This is a real issue and it is high time it is dealt with. I am still wondering how most of these "students" got their F1 & the I-20s in the first place,that allowed them to join, if this university isnt even accredited?

January 26, 2011 11:26 PM  
Blogger moodyfoodie said...

Hey..
Very nice article. People need to be made aware.
IMHO,the people pissed off here seem to be doing or have done exactly the same things in other shady parts of US. They are just angry that their asses might get get exposed soon too....(DAMN! There goes the million dollar dowry dream...) LOL!
@ Chand
I had to comment on your audacity of justifying dowry man! For children??? Why are you incapable of providing for them yourself?? I feel sorry for your wife and kids already!

January 26, 2011 11:53 PM  
Blogger scorpiogenius said...

whoa whoa whoa! I think some of the proprietors of this Tri Valley Uni have landed here to comment! :P What a privilege Brijesh, I congratulate you! :D

Leave the jokes of 13 laptops aside, thats a ripper all right, but I find it hard to digest that such a setting got nod from the authorities in the US. This happened a lot here in Australia and now those concerned are tightening the screws on this fake-education menace. But I do feel for the students there because not all could see through the cheating of such places Brijesh. There may be agents in India and in the States who may lure the parents into sending their children there. Since the tag 'America' is there, people may not think twice. We cannot expect everyone to check websites and stuff before joining.

January 27, 2011 12:06 AM  
Blogger Indian said...

Brijesh Nair I appreciate you putting your thoughts. I have following issues with whole post and your comments on this. You say
"I have been following the Tri-Valley University for the past few years. I first came to know about this University when someone told me that if you join this University you can do full time (40 hours) Curriculum Practical Training (CPT) from the very first semester which I knew was against law."

Did you ever wrote that it looks like what tri-valley is doing is illegal and students should be careful and why you thought it would have been illegal before this post? Now anybody can call these students foolish. I am pretty sure if any of students thought what tri-valley was doing was illegal, they would never have risked their career.

"Trouble comes when students started doing stuff like CPT from the first semester that is illegal." This statement is not based on facts. I agree if we read regulations, its very difficult that their is any CPT which is legal but that doesn't make your statment true. Law provides for CPT from day 1 under certain conditions.


The problem here is that this is first time something like this has happened and will set the standard for times to come. The students from my point are victims here and this is why...

1) One issue is that tri-valley lied on its SEVP/SEVIS application (as per govt allegation) and SEVP can revoke the approval if it was based on wrong or fabricated application or documents and backdate it. As per immigration laws any benefit like F-1 as a result of this can be revoked meaning that students have already accrued long illegal stays. I dont think the SEVP approval has been revoked yet but can be soon... Now nobody can fault students for this as there is no way for them to know if the university has lied.

2) All classes at tri-valley were online and ICE(guess from posts by students who have met DHS and posted on internet) seems to be taking the position that you have to have take atleast 2 courses physically in the class. This may or may not be a correct position. Please read point 6 from this link http://www.region12south.nafsa.org/CaliforniaCommunityCollegesSEVPannouncement.pdf Now everyone knows that to be safe we should go for good universities but please understand this is the first case of this type and tri-valley was not the only university doing it that time, there were few more during that time i.e. ITU, Herguan UNVA etc.

3) CPT as per the regulations is difficult weather from day 1 or any day for that matter even in case of reputed universities as it call for the work to be integral part of your education, if i look at it now it probably has a very high bar to qualify but lot of other universities also routinely give out CPTs. As per my opinion I would stay away from any CPT, now that we know about this case.

All these students paid fees, got enrolled in a SEVP approved school probably says that they wanted to be on the right side of law although now thatwe look at this case, I can say a lot more reaserch is required to be safe.

What I don't understand is why ICE has not issued a statement clarifying there stand on the status of students till now, there are 2500 studenst affected by this. Another thing is they have been investigating this for more then a year, they knew what they thought was illegal and no advisories were issued that some these practices were not in line with immigration law. Not even today after this they have done that. I dont think thats too much and no one discussing this issue is asking for that.

One thing i would say is that there are lot of questionable practices going on related to F-1/CPT/OPT etc and students need to be very carefull in choosing what they go for as it may comeback to haunt later.

I appreciate you writing about it and may be a lot of people will pay attention to "Lessons to be Learnt" and stay out of trouble although it has a little stereotyping and sarcastic tone but hey that’s just me. Thanks.

January 27, 2011 12:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sadly, as a fellow immigrant of Indian origin, I have to say that much of what is written here is true. Its possible that amongst the TVU students there were *some* who were genuinely unaware but I am pretty sure the majority knew that something was fishy. I cannot have sympathy for anyone who knowingly committed immigration fraud. At this point I do have some empathy for their plight : but the right thing to do is to start over and do things right this time. Why break the law and then expect the US government to bail you out?

January 27, 2011 12:31 AM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

JoeF
I should be telling “Thanks” to you. I have been reading your valuable comments in various immigration forum for the last few years. Earlier it was those shady consultants and now this University – I have seen you getting thrashed from every where but still patiently explain the wrong they are doing. Great Job JoeF.

Anand
TVU used the religious angle, since CA had a very generous accreditation exemption for religious schools. They didn't need to be accredited, and still could get international students. Religious schools had a powerful lobby that for a long time prevented changing the law. That is why all that Christian crap in the home page.

Moodyfoodie
Well said

Scorpiogenius
There may be a minority who got cheated but vast majority came here after knowing fully well that it is an University that has no accreditation. When the rules become strict on work visa, people turn to such university to get into US.

January 27, 2011 1:23 AM  
Blogger Veep said...

Unfortunately I belive therare more "Tri Valley Universities" out there. Last year, when I was losing my H1, I was given an advise to join some Calfifornian univ that gives me a CPT.. sounded fishy . I chose to let my H1 lapse, go back to india and get a new one in due course of time. The peace of mind is worth it.

January 27, 2011 4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For a guy with a PhD, you sure give only one side of the story :(

January 27, 2011 5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In your post you said " CPT from the very first semester which i knew was against the law "

That is incorrect !

For graduate students, CPT from Day - 1 is technically possible.

Please Google this law:

8 CFR 214.2(f)(10)(i).

January 28, 2011 11:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Completely agree with your point that all of these "students" should be deported. The outcry that students were "victims" is completely false. One look at website, grammatical mistakes on every single page, and the ease with which admissions are obtained should be enough of an indicator to people that this is not a legal website. Many of these kids who are claiming that they went to Tri-valley for a second MS should know that the university is not accredited by any agency and the "Degree Certificate" is not useful even as a toilet paper. Just last month (in December), one of the MBA students of Trivalley (which is north of the silicon valley) was found shot dead while working "part-time" in a departmental store in South California - about 700 miles away. Was he travelling every day to work part time? My sympathies are with the family of diseased but one cursory glance at this situation is enough to understand the level of fabrication that these people are doing. In another one of such universities that gives CPT from first day, a student who was apparently enrolled full time in spring semester was shot dead when he was working part time in Mid-West? Really people??

Let's just put the problem of unauthorised work (which is a big problem by the way and in itself a big enough offence to lead to deportation) and think logically. The university was selling CPTs but no other reputed university gives CPT unless a student has completed the coursework for two full time semesters. Why did people think it wasn't necessary to get an answer to this question or how about the fact that most of these students are from a small region in India? What does that tell us?

It's a shame that these people are going to attract sympathy and the FBI might let these people leave voluntarily. People should learn to follow rules or else pay the price for not following them.

All of these morons are going to bring a bad name to hard-working Indians. I am ashamed to be a part of a community that thinks any means is justified as long as it meets the end. One of the most humiliating experience of my life of last four years was when I went to work today and people were asking me what happened her. Ashamed and embarrassed.

January 29, 2011 3:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm..people celebrating at other people's plight..disgusting...especially by citing one example who is greedy about receiving dowry and coloring the rest of the people of that state with the same chalk...and Mr.Brijesh how many favors did u receive through
ur "Leader"..hypocrisy at it s best

January 29, 2011 12:24 PM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

@ Veep
Good decision
@Anon @ 4:07 PM
Yes you are correct.. CPT from day 1 for possible under certain circumstances. Sorry about that mistake.
@Anon @ 8:14 PM
You wrote exactly what I had in mind
@Anon @ 5.24 AM
By God’s grace I never had to receive any favors from any one and could achieve what ever I want with my ability and hope it will continue that way in the following years.
If some one kills someone and then pleads that he or she does not know that killing was a crime, will you support that guy? Same thing is happening here. Majority knew that getting CPT from very first day was illegal and also taking all classes online was illegal but they did it with the belief that they won’t be caught - same as someone killing someone thinking that they can escape the law of the land. There is no need to have any sympathy to those who knowingly broke law. Such people bring shame to the entire Indian community in US.

January 29, 2011 7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think u failed to answer the issue of blaming guys from the entire state for faults committed by a few..

January 29, 2011 9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is indeed a stupid blog entry. Please don't discriminate between aspirants who want to come to U.S. Basically you are jealous of people who are able to find smart ways to immigrate to U.S. And that's why the first chance you got to pounce upon some unlucky folks who got duped by a university, you took it. And started with a sensationalistic mention of the dowry system.
The dowry system is much bigger than just US immigrants getting a higher dowry. The guy you mentioned who is getting 50 lakh dowry because he doesn't have a VISA will not get even 5 lakh dowry if he wasn't even a graduate. Why didn't you mention that?

January 29, 2011 10:07 PM  
Blogger Karthikeyan said...

@all who think that there is some kinda schadenfreude at work here, it is not the case.

Most students who were enrolled in that univ knew exactly what they were doing and why. At best they were subverting the law, if not outright breaking it. Yes, we could feel sorry for them, but lets not portray them as innocent victims being penalized by an authoritarian system.

We all understand how financially broke many students are by the time they graduate and how tough it is out there to get a job. So, the motivation is clear. But think about how many of them really came here with the intention of studying (i mean really studying, not just to use F1 as a way to come to America). So before throwing a fit of outrage at people who did the right thing and followed the law, think.

Atleast be apologetic when caught in a lie and don't call names at people who call a liar, a liar.

January 30, 2011 12:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In general it is always a good thing if regulators plug a loophole which is being abused - whether it is visa fraud, human trafficking or tax loopholes. It is probably also safe to conclude that a vast majority knowingly abuse the system (while a small number of genuinely naive/ignorant people maybe misled into believing that they are doing no wrong), and therefore deserve no special sympathy. Hence, it was perhaps premature of the Indian MEA to intervene and plead the students' case with the US State Dept. Flooding the job market with such under-qualified 'professionals' harms it by reducing demand for the genuinely qualified (similar to how fake currency hurts a nation's economy).

However, even considering that this piece is written by an amateur blogger, speaking of dowry and religious institutions in a negative way is careless/insensitive at best, and bigoted at worst. It is not dissimilar to the west claiming that democracy is the best form of government and disrespecting, say, Afganistan's centuries old history/culture of loose alliance and war games. We may despise buzkashi, but its part of central Asian culture for centuries. So also dowry - those who are opposed can refrain from giving and accepting it.

And, religious institutions - in an age where there are so many contentious issues with gray areas that get referred to 'experts', it would certainly make sense say, for a rich, pro-life conservative to want to fund a medical college where doctors of a particular faith may lean towards defining a one-week old fetus as one having 'life'.

Otherwise, this is one of your better posts - since it argues in favor of plugging these visa loopholes.

-Anand

January 30, 2011 2:08 AM  
Blogger Abhilash said...

Wow! So much hate here.

Why do people get worked up when anyone criticize a person who did something wrong. Are we supposed to support (or at least not oppose) fellow countrymen even if they did some illegal activities?

I think we should oppose illegal activities of other Indians. Pakistanis are facing the brunt of the US homeland security - I believe that is because moderate Pakistanis did not oppose their countrymen doing terrorist activities. Similarly, if USA were to unearth more TVU type incidents, a time could come when all the people from India are treated like people who fake their resumes and degrees. In that sense, it affects all of us. If this was case of human rights violation or illegal detaining/arrest, all Indians would support the TVU guys, trust me.

Most of the comments have been replied, I will do the honors for the comment by Anonymous, who posted at January 29, 2011 3:07 PM.

>> Please don't discriminate between aspirants who want to come to U.S. Basically you are jealous of people who are able to find smart ways to immigrate to U.S.

As far as I know - the author of the blog was legally in the USA, completed post-graduation & doctorate and went back to India, BY CHOICE. No need to get personal. he will be in a better position to guage the benefits of life in USA compared to life in India


>> And that's why the first chance you got to pounce upon some unlucky folks who got duped by a university, you took it.

Unlucky??? I don't think so. I live in the bay area and I know 2 'students' from tri-valley who knew what they were doing. They were KNOWINGLY breaking the law and how can you expect sympathy and feeling towards a fellow compatriot in distress. There are many many more who got away after faking resumes & degrees. But that is no excuse.

>> And started with a sensationalistic mention of the dowry system.

That may be true. But certainly not as sensational as the media in India reporting this. Media is painting the picture of USA humiliating Indian students for someone else's fault. Radiotagging is no fun, but there is no physical harm done and they are not in jail. For many countries in the middle-east, this a crime worthy of serving jail time.

I didn't understand the last paragraph in the comment - blogger (and some others who commented here) clearly despises dowry even if the money is used for his wife & kids only.

January 30, 2011 6:03 AM  
Anonymous Indian said...

Kudos to the blog owner..and to the others let us stop beating around the bush. A majority of students choose TVU because they could not get a H1B due to the new measures which have been implemented so to get around this they decided to take admission and work under the pretext of CPT.

No one has a right to work in the US...if you are not good enough go home.I hope everyone involved is kicked out. It is because of shenanigans like this in the last few years from people in a certain part of India that the H1B program is in danger of being cancelled.

January 30, 2011 7:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need foreigners to treat us Indians badly...we have our fellow Indians to do that..what next Mr.Brijesh and Mr.Karthikeyan,r u throwing up a party to celebrate this incident..and please don't mask yourself as a social commentator opposing dowry...we know what is your worth...

January 30, 2011 8:39 AM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

@ Anon @ 2.22PM
Did I mention any particular state or race in the entire post?

@Anon @ 3.07 PM
I mentioned about the dowry to give a picture that even for these people aspire to come to US. As Abhilash pointed out majority are not “unlucky” they bend the rules and yes they were really “unlucky” that they were caught.

Anand,
Dowry was a passing reference in the whole piece and I did not make any derogatory remarks against any religious institutions. Flooding market with these graduates from such diploma mill is going to affect us Indians in US only.

Abhilash
Good points; Yes now every Pakistani in US is looked upon from the angle of terrorist and if few more scams like what happened with TVU comes out involving Indian students come out then the those suffering will the students going to good schools and that is exactly the reason I wrote this. Other than that I don’t have any personal interest in this issue as I am out of all the race for immigration to US.

Indian
No one has a right to work in the US...if you are not good enough go home – Well Said

@ Anon 1:39 AM
LOL…You mean to say that if an Indian breaks a law we should praise him/her just because he is Indian? You loser, no one has to tell Karthik nor me our worth. Whatever be our worth we never took any shortcuts in life. Dude, do you want to join the party Karthik and me is planning to have? If you want to join, please don't post the next comment as Anonymous so that it is easy for both of us to send you an invite!

January 30, 2011 8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude ....Its not that always people are doing it for Dowry...Dont bring the example of 1990's in 2011(Since u did Phd and working here for sometime I assumed u ll be older ).... Students joined in the university as it was legal...If issuing CPT was wrong then why did USCIS issue it ????Dont u think there is something wrong with the system too in doing it ??? DOnt just BLAME THE STUDENTS....there are some people who were very fair in what ever they did in this case.....If u came to know about it long back then why dint u ever mentioned it in ur blog...This way u could have enlightened ur fellow Indians,,,,,Dont just play some cheap tricks to acquire popularity...Do something good to achieve it ...!

January 30, 2011 10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And remember these students were given Visas by the US consulate ..! Cox u are here since a long time u feel so ...Just imagine a student who doesnt have enough knowledge and got his admission and Visa, what will he think he would be on cloud 9 that he got the Visa in the first place...If u r mind is positive u keep thinking positive !! Ofcourse there is mistake on the part of the students but there is mistake on part of both US Govt and Univeristy ...Just dont blame that students did it coz they want more dowry ...May be its in ur case who took more dowry as u did PHD too

January 30, 2011 10:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@scorpiogenius

You ar ereally a genius ...U took words from my mouth...I also wanna mention the samething that ..if u get visa who will check whats in the website ???

January 30, 2011 10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are not understanding that they never went against law...It was completely legal.....US consultate gave them visas..USCIS gave them i-20 then whats wrong in joining the univ and whats worng in taking CPT if they are issued with it from day 1 as its approved by USCIS ??? DOnt u think that the govt and univ did something wrong and not students only as they wanted more dowries as portrayed by u

January 30, 2011 10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.Brijesh,the authorities will decide who broke the law...and u don't do it thru ur blog...

January 30, 2011 1:38 PM  
Blogger Abhinav said...

Came across your well written blog while searching for news related to TVU. Its funny and pathetic at the same time that there are some comments "supporting" TVU and its students both of which are fraudsters!
Bracelets my foot, they should be in jail.

January 30, 2011 2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Point!!!! I was following this story from today morning, when I read it in Indiatimes.com. Even I looked at the website of Tri-Valley. I read each and every page of that website. Even if you read "About Us" section you will realize that its all total FAKE. Did you guys looked at the Graduation Ceremony photos, I mean this is ridiculous how can I sane person can take admission in this stupid university. You are right things like this earns BAD name for India and will be a hinderance of a person legally wanted to come to US for better life. I am feeling ashamed when I heared that 95% of students who were enrolled in the fraud are Indian.

January 30, 2011 7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goodness gracious.....no wonder India is such a corrupt country..

January 30, 2011 9:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My parents were up in arms about this as well, Indian newspapers are giving this front page coverage. The gist is the harsh inhumane radio tags by ICE on these innocent victims, the Indian students. I am sure there are some innocent victims in this and I am sure some human rights groups would see the radio tracking as inhumane. But what exactly do we expect the US govt. to do? I believe most TVU students are still here and at least have an opportunity to find another school. After 9/11 do we really expect the govt. to let everyone in this limbo visa status report back based on some "honor" system? Let us not forget that more than few of those terrorists came here as students to flying schools. Please don't misinterpret this to mean the TVU students fall in the same category, but the point is that the govt. has to act based on these lessons learned. Maybe the govt. should have deported these students right away rather than tagging them? But then won't the same people be complaining about the inhumane and immediate deportation without a second chance? Of course it remains the responsibility of the govt. to make sure the schools and universities are legit. But you'll always have universities and employers who will find a way to engage in illegal activities, and then the govt. will have to take such action. I find it interesting how we don't react so sharply when Indian govt. agencies and authorities (e.g. the police!) have treated truly innocent Indian citizens utterly inhumanely... but when it comes to US we expect so much better even under such complicated circumstances.

January 30, 2011 10:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice blog. Serves these morons well. Trying to find loopholes while genuine students bust their backsides trying to get internships and jobs. Any moron dissing this blog post needs to be tagged on the ankle as well as these dimwits are dangerous to society as a whole.

January 30, 2011 11:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hahahha fellow indians......

January 31, 2011 3:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole body shopping was kind of illegal way of migrating to USA Lot of people who areblaming studnet for not chekcing university did the same thing by not checking their 2 man body shop compnay when they came tot states. Giving lectures to others is the easiest thing when they are caught Even though majority of the H1 were done by Gulti based comnpany the same way.

January 31, 2011 3:52 AM  
Anonymous S. Unnikrishnan said...

Dear Brijesh,

I am totally with you on the aforesaid issue but just to bring it to the notice of the group - back in 2008 a few flight schools declared bankruptcy and the Indian government could not lend a hand to help those who were ailing. The flight schools in picture were indeed the best ones having official tie ups with airlines back home in India. Did we not learn a lesson from that?
To all those who are blaming the US embassy and the author - I would say that pre-enrollment homework is a thing every student does and should do. In a state like Tamil Nadu and Gujarat immigration agents charge a fortune to just make you land in the US and people don't even care to know what the status of university is. The TVU website looks more of a blog and less of a university website. Me, mentioning more against the TVU would be redundant because authors have said enough on that.
When those 100+ pilots stranded in the US - having paid 50K+ USD could not get an aid from government, I am very apprehensive that in this case too the authorities will come to rescue. I was one of those students who lost nearly 40K USD in the closing down of my flight school, and had to shell out the same amount to finish my program in other part of California. I understand the plight of the students but will not blame the US authorities alone and shall put the blame on students who chose TVU just to land up in the U.S.A.

January 31, 2011 6:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With all due respect Mr. Idiot, you are talking shit about Indian person cannot be acceptable. You are perfect Idiot. Indian ppl are smarter than you . Ask your parents, grand parents , how they came to States? You will get the answers. Even Mr. President Obama is not patriotic enough to be an American President but still dumb US ppl voted for him and you are like one of that dumb person. Have the US goverment crack down all those Muslims ppl in US who are plotting or planning to plot to kill the innocent ppl....... God , bless you Mr Idiot !!!!! Chill our

January 31, 2011 2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally I think the TVU students, their parents and their supporters need to be whacked on the head for good measure.

Sadly, I don't think anything will bring them to their senses; most of them seem to be corrupted to the core of their being. It seems impossible to try and instill any kind of moral conviction into them. They seem to be willing to do anything for their own personal gain. I hope and pray for a day when India is free of these parasites.

Even if it does look futile at times, those of us who still remain uncorrupted need to keep our voices and actions strong.

January 31, 2011 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally I think the TVU students, their parents and their supporters need to be whacked on the head for good measure.

Sadly, I don't think anything will bring them to their senses; most of them seem to be corrupt to the core. It seems impossible to try and instill any kind of moral conviction into them. They seem to be willing to do anything for their own personal gain. Sadly, most of them also seem incapable of civil and intelligent debate. I hope and pray for a day when India is free of or atleast less burdened by these parasites.

Even if it does look futile at times, those of us who still remain uncorrupted need to keep our voices and actions strong.

January 31, 2011 4:05 PM  
Anonymous Krishna said...

Dear Brijesh,

The article is excellent, and bang on target. I pity these people who rally behind TVU students even though they know whose at fault. I have no pity for Indians who bring disgrace upon our community.

These students deserve to be thrown out of the country; they know what they are getting themselves into. I personally know two students who transferred from decent schools to Tri-Valley just for the CPT.

For the people who are questioning how visas was issued to TVU in India - these students transfer from another school. AFAIK, consulates in India have blocked visas to Tri-Valley, along with other diploma mills like Stratford and UNVA.

JoeF did a spectacular job cautioning these 'students' from joining Tri-Valley; I have been following his thread in trackit.com, and he advised many prospective students from going to Tri-Valley. People who didn't heed his advice got themselves into nice pile of rubbish.

I'm all for following the law. If the law says you are not supposed to do something, you shouldn't. These students broke the law, and they should be punished to the fullest extent. ICE should make an example out of these students so others in the future don't go down the same route.

My opinion may sound harsh, but it is justified. I spent 3 years breaking my back studying at one of the top schools in this country, and I don't like to see certain individuals avail the same benefits I'm entitled because of my hard work. Work for these benefits if you want them, or take a hike.

January 31, 2011 4:23 PM  
Anonymous Krishna said...

Dear Brijesh,

The article is excellent, and bang on target. I pity these people who rally behind TVU students even though they know whose at fault. I have no pity for Indians who bring disgrace upon our community.

These students deserve to be thrown out of the country; they know what they are getting themselves into. I personally know two students who transferred from decent schools to Tri-Valley just for the CPT.

For the people who are questioning how visas was issued to TVU in India - these students transfer from another school. AFAIK, consulates in India have blocked visas to Tri-Valley, along with other diploma mills like Stratford and UNVA.

JoeF did a spectacular job cautioning these 'students' from joining Tri-Valley; I have been following his thread in trackit.com, and he advised many prospective students from going to Tri-Valley. People who didn't heed his advice got themselves into nice pile of rubbish.

I'm all for following the law. If the law says you are not supposed to do something, you shouldn't. These students broke the law, and they should be punished to the fullest extent. ICE should make an example out of these students so others in the future don't go down the same route.

My opinion may sound harsh, but it is justified. I spent 3 years breaking my back studying at one of the top schools in this country, and I don't like to see certain individuals avail the same benefits I'm entitled because of my hard work. Work for these benefits if you want them, or take a hike.

January 31, 2011 4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The funny thing is every student in the TVU has always wondered how they were able to get CPT ON FIRST day itself.But they were never worried nor questioned or dint look for rules, instead they were happy and laughed at other students who worked their asses of in other accredited universities.They recommended their friends other students but never answered the simple question HOW IS YOUR UNIVERSITY CAPABLE OF ALLOWING CPT ON DAY 1?
They dont want to answer that even now , instead they blame the university as if they are good fellas.

January 31, 2011 4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great post...although maybe a tad dramatic :). But yes, it's irrelevant to discuss whether or not the students were duped. They enrolled in this course because their work visas expired. how do i know this? Becuase my ol roommate enrolled here. A simple question to clear up the air of the complicity of the students...just aswk any one of them "1) what courses did you register for. 2) what tests did you take 3) grades from course work 4) textbooks read?? ". I'm sure the answer will silence any doubts about the whether the students were duped or not

February 01, 2011 12:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moral of the story: if you look for shortcuts in life YOU may end up being someone else's shortcut.

It is unfortunate though that a few innocent, ignorant and stupid people also fell for this scam.

February 01, 2011 5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huh..the hatred i see here...let the dogs bark

February 01, 2011 8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Brijesh,

I have read your blog posts and certainly these needed a pat on your back. You just wrote what was on everybody's mind. Honestly, I am a Telugu guy myself and i m really ashamed at the various developments, i have been hearing of late regarding the immigration scam at Tri Valley University. I have been living in the Bay area for over an year and i personally know of a couple of such universities where there are a lot of Indian students have been admitted and none of them have or had any intention of really getting a DEGREE!!

Let me explain of my view point on certain issues here based on common question and answers:

Why is there is a crazy for USA among Indian people(as presumably Telugu's?)
#1. Ofcourse the $'s. With $'s come swanky car's and costly phone's and lavish clothes and ofcourse a better and fanciful lifestyle which they can boast of.

#2. A sense of pride. Most Indian's by "default" think, this would elevate their social status to have been associated with USA. Illiterate/Literate parents want their son's or daughters go to the states, because they believe it would be a feather(ofcourse i do not/never would deny the fact that they want their kids to live a better life). But, the basic thing called a False Prestige is highly associated with this.

#3. The social stigma of the so called "Engineers". As far as my knowledge goes TN, AP and Karnataka are the largest producers of engineering degrees in the world. Unfortunately, only a small percentage of people are really worth the four year effort and find jobs or will be pursuing higher education.
#4. Some really genuine people who come here to really pursue a degree and work hard to gain livelihood and settle here as law-abiding citizens.

I mentioned the #4. point in the last because the craze for #4 is indeed the "some" i mentioned.

I was really sorry for all the students who have been in a lot of troubled waters. But do i have sympathy for them, the answer is a "NO". They are my fellow Indians, but then that does not make them or me above the law.

I was watching the case and there were instances of a hue and cry over the radio tagging of students and i was really surprised at the way a local(say 3rd rate TV Channel) was projecting the US as being racist and being grossly immoral with the treatment of the students, but never did it mention about the various activities that the students were indulging in. The issue was blown out of proportions and was completely fabricated, so as to suit our audience back home. Well, my fellow Indian who are raising objections against the United States and other fellow Indians who are supporting the rightful system. I have a couple of questions for you:

February 06, 2011 9:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#1. What is it that you guys want? Do you want the US government and people like me(whom ofcourse you hate because you cannot hate yourself and you need to prove a point) to accept that the students were made scapegoats by Tri valley alone and that students were completely ignorant of what was happening and thought it was all genuine to be working on CPT right from day 1?

People, USA is a very beautiful country. It has always encouraged foreign nationals to come here and work, fostered their growth and lawfully permitted them to be its citizens by extending open arms. This has been good for both the people who have come here(as students, skilled labors etc.) and also has been good for its economy( and also for the other country's economies).

I was actually shocked to see Ms. Sushmita Gongulee(don't ask me who?) respond to one of the questions, saying that people in some parts of India(or precisely from Andhra Pradesh do not have access to Internet and those people from these areas who come to the USA do not know about the credentials of such universities(Wow, was my expression then).

Well, folks the fact is very simple. People are playing the emotional trump card now. Media is flaring up the issue(TV9 of Telugu and few other ignorant channels) by showing the radio tagged students over and over again and concealing the facts. Their point of argument is that the students are humiliated and are bought to justice, unfortunately not "why". Well, radio tagging might have certainly hurted over people's emotion, but this is the Law of the Land(USA) and if you are a resident here, you should follow it, Period.

Yes, I do accept people fake their resume's and deploy ways of "getting by it" and i don't see any sense of fear in them for doing such things. But, bringing an entire Telugu community to defame is certainly not commendable and appreciated. There are certainly hard working, genuine and really talented people who brought fame and glory to the community as well as for our nation.

There is saying in Telugu " Dorakanantha varaku Dore, Dorikithe matram donga"(You are always THE king until you are caught).

Remember guys, when you look back in your life, you should feel proud of what you have accomplished on your true talent and effort and definitely not what you have done wearing a mask of what you are not!!

PS: I feel most of the people writing in the blog have really poor english. I had a hard time figuring out the abbreviations and the unending "....." . Well, certainly a reflection of our standards with respect to the language which we use daily(and we mock at the chinese for their accent, pity you guys!!! )

February 06, 2011 9:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a very useful blog since it does not state what laws are being violated by TVU. Stating superficial details on website would not point out the actual facts.

Lessons learnt:
1). @Chand Keep your dependents(wife) well sealed inside your apartments. Please do not trouble them by asking them to work using illegal CPT/OPTs. They are creating a lot of trouble for other legal foreign students in USA (yes there are legal students here in US who really want to study and gain industry experience through CPTs/OPTs).
2). Govt of India/Media should take care before taking a stand a issue such as this. You displayed a lot of foolishness by showing a radio tagged student walking around rather than going deeper into the actual fraud.
3).Please set up free counseling for students wanting to come to USA for higher studies when they are in their final year of bachelors degree.

February 08, 2011 9:29 AM  
Anonymous Shruti Kothari said...

Proficiency in English language and mention of non-native accents in this post is nothing but something very much unnecessary. Kindly look into your own very post and evaluate the errors of grammar and writings - then, criticize the masses for not knowing English.

Two, Being Pro-US or being Pro-(Victim Students) will be very much vague and unsubstantiated because the law shall anyway take care of who is to be reprimanded and who not. I shall surely mention that indeed US law at times goes way too much by the book - avoiding the flexibilities required in order to spell the word JUSTICE, correctly as JUSTICE.

Let us close the thread on a note where we can probably suggest, brainstorm or execute that one little step to tackle the issue on hand, and also cease the one to one attacks - be it of language, or thoughts, or nationality or whatever the trade maybe.

Brijesh - Once again applauding your words but at the same time sorry for the thread becoming a battlefield for those who wanted a vent out for being anti-India (Pro-US) or vice-versa.

Peace out! - Platinum Rudder!

February 10, 2011 3:43 AM  
Anonymous Viggen said...

Totally with OP, JoeF etc. I too came as a student back in the 90's but have been honest in my path to be an US citizen. I have told many relatives who have seeked my advice to be honest, but the common refrain is, that guy showed 8 yrs experience from India and didn't even declare his Masters and got a job as a consultant. Why can't I do that too..!
The same logic was used by these TVU, ITU, Stratford students. Too bad (or good!) the system caught up to them! I for one am ashamed for the people who justify that doing this fake degree, CPT, OPT fraud since the H1B cap is reached. If it is over, go to India, find a job and come back later if possible. It is not the end of the world. There are plenty of opportunities in India. And even if it is such a dreary place, cheating, subverting the laws is just not right.
Next should be the job seekers who falsify their resumes. There is soon going to be stigma attached to Indians and cheating. And honest people will get a bad name along with these guys who do anything.
These Universities are at wrong too. But it is like getting caught in a raid in a shady hotel and then complaining that I was just a victim and I just thought the prostitute wanted someone to talk!
I wonder if the many Australian universities that used to be a degree mill in the 90's had any similar issues. I remember back in the 90s some consultants will give the admissions for these Aussie universities on the spot! Shady is shady anywhere in the world.

February 15, 2011 7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Consul General said the TVU students are from various parts of the country, not only from Andhra Pradesh alone.

"There are students from Kerala; some are from (West) Bengal. Some are from Madhya Pradesh. Some are Gujaratis," she said.


http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/tri-valley-radio-tags-removed-from-three-more-indian-students-85957


Now STFU asshole!!

February 19, 2011 8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my best wishes and good luck to the blog author.

These tri valley "students" have achieved so much in their lives, that MEA went visiting them at such a short notice. I wonder what homeless destitute students in rural parts of India must do to get the same honour.

I would say India govt must stop supporting these cheaters, who have done no good to India.

If Indian govt agrees to support them, then these "students" must be made to sign a bond that they will come back to India and work in rural areas for atleast 5 years.

February 23, 2011 4:42 PM  

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