Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Exploring the Menace called QUIXTAR and AMWAY

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This happened in Fall 2001, almost one month after I came to US for my Masters. I was sharing the room with three other guys. On a Saturday evening, a guy about 30 years old dressed formally came to our apartment with one of my roommates. He was talking about the cars he owns, the business trips he frequently makes to India and all that nice stuff and was projecting himself to be a millionaire.

This guy had brought a foldable white board with him. There were like ten of us in the room. He unfolded the board and wrote on it, “What is your dream in life?” He then wrote down everything each of us said. He took from that list to own a house and a car and asked us – “How long do you think it will take to buy a car and a house?” Being students and just landed in US car or a house was the last thing in our minds. We were looking at each other. That guy continued – “I was just like you 2 years back and now I am a millionaire; I have my own business, car and house and soon I will be thinking of retirement; all because I joined this business called Quixtar; if you join, you will also be a millionaire like me in another 2 years”.

Hearing those sweet words from that guy five of them joined. It is seven years since those five guys joined. Forget being a millionaire; four of them don’t even have a second hand car. But still every day after work and all day during week ends they have dedicated their time for Quixtar. The greatest losers I have ever seen.

Joining Quixtar it is like joining an extremist cult. You think Quixtar, breathe Quixtar and eat Quixtar. They don’t know what shame is. One example – on my way from work I regularly go to a grocery store. Most of the time I go there I meet his Quixtar guy. He comes to me and asks the same question – “do you work in Honeywell?” He might have met me more than twenty times and all the twenty times he might have asked me the same question. Few times I got really irritated and blasted him. But next time again when he sees me he asks the same question – “Do you work in Honeywell?”

Another example of how shameless they can be – may be around two years back when I was doing my PhD I met a guy whom I had known earlier and now deep into the Quixtar. At that time I was almost 20 pounds overweight was seriously thinking about working out to reduce my weight. Seeing me he told “Hey man, you look so lean and tired; you should eat vitamin and protein tablets. My company has lot of tablets that can help you gain weight”, once into Quixtar they lose the sense of reality.

This menace is not confined to US. In India Quixtar is called Amway. While working in Chennai, I had an experience that speaks tons about the extent to which people go mad once they join Amway/Quixtar. This guy was my father’s class mate and a manager of a nationalized bank in Kerala. He took a year long leave to take Amway as a full time job. He met my father and was behind him for few days. Once he realized that my father is not going to get into the trap he some how got my address and phone number in Chennai. One fine Saturday morning he came to meet me in Chennai traveling all the way from Kerala. He came and met me around 10 am and even at night 10 pm he was talking about the greatness of Amway. With us asking him about Amway, he took 4 of us for lunch and in the night he cooked dinner for us. He stayed with us overnight and come next day morning he started the old stories again. By afternoon we lost patience and my room mate blasted him and threw him out of our house. These people once addicted to this business model will turn into a parasite ready to suck your blood with no shame.

Nowadays I can easily identify the Quixtar species that hang around to trap people into that. Take any supermarket or grocery store in US and you can find one representative of Quixtar species there. They will be well dressed, usually in formals, pushing an empty cart around the shop. One characteristic of Quixtar species – once they find a human being they circle around you and at the first opportunity smile at you, introduce themselves and start talking to you. As a rule of thumb, if a stranger pushing an empty cart comes and tries to talk to you, avoid him – he belongs to the Quixtar species.

Even if you take all precautions, these species will somehow approach you. Of late I do something that works pretty well. You can also try this. As soon as they start talking I will ask them “You are part of this Quixtar, right? I joined Quixtar two years back and already made millions. I have a million dollar home and a BMW and I am thinking of retiring. By the way how long are you in Quixtar?” Most of the Quixtar species will understand that I am making fun of them and walk away. The other day when I told this to a Quixtar guy he asked – “Really, Sir how could you make so much money in two years? I have been in Quixtar for more than 8 years and am still spending more on Quixtar than what I am earning from Quixtar” – Friends, this is the real Quixtar!
QUIXTAR AND AMWAY – GREATEST SCAM OF THE DECADE – DON’T FALL INTO THAT TRAP

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52 Comments:

Blogger scorpiogenius said...

OW! familiar tale...I'm another silly fool who fell into this trap e few years back..the name was 'Quest Corporation' or something...

Buggers, my poor dad lost 500 Rs thinking that his son is going to bring in millions the next day onwards..

And after a while we started hiding away as soon as some Amway or similar 'agents' come smiling..:)

August 19, 2008 9:58 AM  
Blogger drsubbu said...

Dear Brijesh,
Thank God you chose to write about this QUICK STAR /AMWAY story!
In the UK it is called AMWAY. I heard it is going in a big way in INDIA
I and my wife were drawn into the maze called 'AMWAY' in the UK in the last few months of 1999.We were fairly in early stages of our stay in the UK and I was still in a semi training jobs and also we had few financial tangles. The presentations done by Amway guy (white) from the US,(he called himself an executive rolling in millions of Dollars,making frequent trips across the world ,having entire time for his family which he loved immensely and has provided everything for everybody and wakes up at his chosen time, never dictated by anybody,bla,bla,....)was exceptionally impressive and believable. His physical personality and his speaking ability and command of English and Spiritual incline were unmistakable. We were thouroughly impressed. After coming home we went through the whole presentations and on balance we decided to try it. So in the next few months we attended few conferences in and around Manchester area where we live. I must say the gatherings in these meetings were huge (most of them were decent White people) and it made us feel and think,'How can so many people could be in this AMWAY business and we were made to believe that so many people cannot be wrong' This is the power of their campaign! They sell you so many tapes and force you to listen. Most of the speeches are so effective and they brain wash you!

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WITH YOU THAT THIS APPROACH IS MAKING YOU 'AN AMWAY EXTREMIST' One would be blindly made to believe this will work for him/her!
Yes .It is true. You think,breath,speak,eat,live and sleep and dream AMWAY!

I like to tell you I am a great lover of music. Music is like O2 for me and I am an ardent fan of ILAIYARAJAA. Even I was not listening to my music and was only listening to these tapes for 3 months and nothing else-at home,in my car, etc.

We bought so many items from Amway and tried talking about it to our friends. But being a Doctor with stable position and income, My wife and I did not choose to stoop down to talk to each and every one that came in our wayand shamed ourselves!

In the mean time we were getting regular phone calls from a guy called Dr Kuruvilla, a guy who originated from Kerala,an Aneasthesiologist, claimed to be working in Colorado state of US and clamied to be making lot more money than being a Consultant Aneasthetist and being a successful 'amway diamond' with millions of Dollars annual turnover he could spend most of his time Skiing in Collarado -his life time passion and hobby!(rather than practicing as consultant Aneasthetist!)

Suddenly one night, it struck us when we were refurbishing our previous house (which we still own),we really got busy and did not have time to think about Amway and found Dr Kuruvilla's phone a real nuisance and decided to totally discard and throw away Amway from our life in January 2000 and we were very happy and free from all hustles and nuisance eversince!

I REALLY LIKE TO SHRE THIS WITH ALL YOUR READERS.

Dr TR Subramanian

August 19, 2008 11:42 AM  
Blogger cf_cigars said...

Nair,

You should read this link..

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_32/b4095056409006.htm

its pretty interesting to see how they are trying to recover their image now..

August 19, 2008 1:20 PM  
Anonymous Sarath said...

haha...very true! I have always felt that one should 'believe' in a business or anything that one does. The interesting thing about these quickstar/amway/whatever people is that, nowadays when they approach us they try hard to not to make things obvious. They say things like they want to discuss a business project/personal franchise or something like that. They try hard to avoid the 'quickstar' name in the conversation. This must be the only 'business' in the world where the people doing it stay away from marketing the actual name of the business. That makes me wonder whether they actually believe in what they do. They try to market it as something else.

I would recommend this 'business' to only those people who are tired of their friends. For them this ideal because once they get into this all the 'sensible' people they know will stay away from them!

August 19, 2008 3:10 PM  
Blogger SBF said...

yes this is a scam buisness.
like a pyramid, the benefits reach only the people at the top while others are left dry.

my friends from engineering had enrolled for a 200Rs SMS buisness. After a few months, i learnt from newspapers that the kingpin had fled!

similar amway story was recently featured in NDTV or CNN-IBN news channel. Poor farmers had fallen for the lure of quick bucks and bought all sort of amway garbage like car washing solution, creams etc.

The worst part is no one has a car in the remote village. also all amway products are ridiculously high priced while local and even HLL products are cheap.

It must be noted that such buisness activities are banned by High Court (Hyderabad or Chennai, i am not sure but banned way long back) Amway is fighting the case in court.

Earlier i used to listen out to their canvassing and politely say no. Nowadays their canvassing techniques have become sharp and too toxic that sometimes hurts your esteem. I simply ask them to move out (politely)

August 19, 2008 4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember them as being amway here in Canada. They had a reputation for being a pyramid scheme. I remember a news story being done on them basically saying to AVOID THEM AT ALL COST! SCAM! I haven't heard anything about them until the last couple of weeks. They are bombarding our TV with ads to buy/join quixtar/amway. They should just go away. AGAIN< AVOID THESE COMPANIES AT ALL COST!

August 19, 2008 8:31 PM  
Anonymous Roshith said...

Good one! :) But referring to the guy who'd been working in it for 8 years, I wonder what makes them stay in the trap once they fall into it.. I mean, why couldn't they get out of it once they realize its worthless? Either they are brainwashed too much to believe that they wud become a millionaire overnight, or there should be a bond or something i suppose..

August 19, 2008 10:23 PM  
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August 20, 2008 8:51 PM  
Blogger Mani said...

Simple analogy would explain the difference between working for a company, where there is only a limited scope for growth, and joining a multi-level marketing entity like Quixtar or Amway, where there is supposedly no limit for growth. Chew over this for few moments: Working for a company is akin to climbing up a ladder to reach the top of a building which is of a particular height. You should be good at balancing the center of gravity of your body and not be acrophobic as well. There is obviously a chance of the ladder slipping away from the wall and your getting injured from slightly to severely depending upon the height you had reached then. One great thing here is you are only depending upon yourself to climb up and you could naturally be climbing up as long as it is possible.

But joining Quixtar or Amway is akin to trying to reach the sky by forming a Human Pyramid! You could not be climbing up yourself here but rather have to be lifted by someone else! As the pyramid grows, the persons above you are closer to the sky than you and you are closer to the sky than the persons below you. It is all relative perception! Yes, You could be amazed at how close the person at the top is to the sky! Don't you realize you need more and more people at the base to support the supposedly ever-growing pyramid? There is no obvious need here to talk about the risks involved in this formation or a high chance of crash here or your getting into a tricky plight of having stuck in the middle of the air not only carrying the huge weight of persons above you but also getting afraid of few persons below you leaving the pyramid!!

I am pretty much aware that you can discuss this scam in a much more beautiful and intellectual way. I am also aware at the same time that you have only one choice when you are robbed emotionally: FALL PREY!

August 20, 2008 8:53 PM  
Blogger Jithu said...

man, once this guy who's working in one of the top IT companies came to me for acquaintance at an ATM. It was just the causual talks one would have with someone in a queue and he got my phone number in the end. he called me after few days and was describing abt a business into which he is in and hw i can make money out of it. well, it was AMWAY! Having known abt AMWAY, i said i'm not interested. Then he changed plates and said that he cud show me some products which i can buy from him and that he will come to my house. thats when i had to blast at him. as u said, they are so shameless!!

August 21, 2008 8:27 AM  
OpenID maduraiveeran said...

Unfortunately a lot of vulnerable people join this scam. They dont understand a single thing about that business and who they exploit the people. All they see is colors of richness and prosperity. Hidden reality is always painful and no one sees that. I have blasted off a few Quixtar folks too. They have spread all over like cancer.

August 21, 2008 9:08 PM  
Blogger Blue Bike said...

These people choose their prey very carefully. If you're wandering at a supermarket looking totally lost, or of you have a shopping cart which contains first time stuff like shower curtains, small furniture, dustbin, utensils etc. They lock their targets as they know such people are fresh off the boat and can be easily hunted.

When I just arrived to the states couple of years ago, I was pesked everytime I visited a store or a supermarket. Soon it decreased and now its completely stopped.

August 21, 2008 9:08 PM  
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August 21, 2008 9:08 PM  
Anonymous kochuthresiamma P J said...

hey that was a nice post.there was a time i found myself dodging these amway guys all the time. once i was forced to go to a meeting in mumbai organised by the local group.it was sick - was like a religious convention.loud music, clapping hands then people coming up and giving testimony, like the one u described. At the end of the testimony, the crowd explodes into an ecstatic applause and deafening music with catchy beat follows, and men, women and children clap, wave & dance.believe me, it was awful.(think i'll post a blog on that).
now that mence seems to have subsided - atleast in kerala. but the amway showroom in kochi is always crowded - and i too pick up a few things from there

August 21, 2008 9:57 PM  
Anonymous Nayantara said...

Overall a total waste of time and talent , even smart people seem to fall for this scam. I have yet to hear of one guy who has made it in this business. Plus people give up their dignity and become jerks.
Sadly this is the reason why desis don't ack other desis in stores. There used to be some kmarts and Walmarts in the bay area that were notorious haunts for these idiots. We even got caught at a Target. If some desi asks a qn about the shirt you are wearing or where you found some item in your shopping cart , we would answer politely then run away from that section.

When we lived in a nice desi apt, on weekends we would see these monkeys in formals and ties gathering for a meeting. This is the bay area where people show up for work in shorts and jeans!! I call them monkeys because they are just imitating others around them. Hopefully they see the light before much damage is done to their wallets.
PS: I remember some other blogger writing a very detailed and accurate rebuttal of the Amway model and why it is a sham.

August 22, 2008 1:40 AM  
Blogger Sajesh said...

i have had my share of "money chain" "money tree" guys... they see you somewhere.. malls.. bus stands.. they strike up conversation very casually... they dont talk abt the "business" but make sure that they get the phone numbers.. and then 2 3 days later you get a call abt how some friends of his has started a business and i can also join if i am interested. this is the part where i refuse and they say see you later and i delete their number from my phone. One guy supposedly shifted to india from UK and is now in this business as well as working for a leading s/w company!!. once an old Chartered Accountant also met me and Gawwwwd what all stories he told me about his life..!.
i now make sure i escape before they ask for the phone number.

August 22, 2008 4:48 AM  
Anonymous Prateek said...

Why do they all act the same? What brings these people together? Are they under a spell?

August 22, 2008 4:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brijesh,
Its incredible that you call a legitimate business opportunity certified by the US Govt. a sham. This thing has been debated in the US since 50-80's the height of Amways sucess and US Govt has declared it a legitimate biz as different from serial money scams and pyramids. Now practitioners of this biz may use (infact it looks like a huge majority use unethical (tales which are plain lies or misleading) or predatory practices - which are lets say as a understatement - very irritating. But calling Amway a scam is like saying all muslims are terroists becoz of SIMI or all Gujus are rioters and rapists because of a Narendra MOdi or RSS/VHP.

By the way, I see this consistent streak in you to take a corner case and blow it up into something out of proportion and try to form the First principles from it. I dont understand how someone who has obtained the highest level of education (i.e., who has studied a lot of theory exactly the other way round) do this? Any reasons?

Prasanth

August 22, 2008 6:42 AM  
Blogger Niket said...

Can you believe it, Amway actually advertises on national TV in India! No kidding.

August 22, 2008 7:55 AM  
Blogger rajesh said...

http://raapi.blogspot.com/2006/05/rehash.html

been there seen that !
-Raapi

August 22, 2008 3:46 PM  
Blogger Ajith said...

I completely agree with u. Anything which has serious influence in your logical thinking should be considered as a menace to the society. Amway does the same, It shows u a bright rosy picture and make u greedy and then trap u.One of my friend resigned from an MNC job to concentrate 'full time' on Amway. No points for guessing his situation now!

August 22, 2008 8:20 PM  
Blogger Jackfruit said...

Nice one. This is very true and I too have been chased by many :)

http://jackfruittalks.blogspot.com/2007/07/never-talk-to-strangers.html

August 24, 2008 10:59 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Hi Guys,
Nice blog on Amway and Quixtar. I too am a distributor in India And Germany.
Its true you all feel offended by how people try to build the business.I want to ask you a question if the owner lets the comment stay on the list?
I am not trying to talk you into anything here its just a question.

Have you or a friend or a family member experienced death or a serious illness after a qualified Doctors treatment?

Please be open and answer the question creatively not competitively.

Thanx

Sukhjinder Singh

August 28, 2008 8:37 AM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

Sukhjnder Singh,

Welcome to my blog.
Other than spam I don’t delete any comments from my blog. So your comment (and your future comments) will stay on this blog for ever.

So if you are a distributor of Amway in India and think that it is a good business model can you tell me how much you make in a month with Amway, how much money and time you spent on an average basis?

Then about the question of doctor’s treatment -

What is the relevance of this question when only people up in the pyramid gets treatment and people who are actually supporting the pyramid does not get any treatment at all!! It makes sense to wait in the queue for a doctor's appointment. But does it make any sense to wait for someone to join the queue to advance the queue to get the appointment?

August 29, 2008 10:08 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Hi Brijesh,
Thanx for replying me and keeping me on the blog.
So as far as money is concerned I want to let you know where it all started....is it ok?
I saw the business in Germany as I live in Germany since 1990. I was running a restaurant business with my uncle in Germany, actually we had a chain of 4 outlets and a wholesale grocery imported from U.K.
The point I want to make here is that money was not the reason I joined the business it was actually having control over the time and money both. Which neither me nor my uncle who was in the restaurant business with his other partner since 18 years had.
There it came that I read a newspaper ad and called the guy who shared the opportunity with me. I didn't understand it in the beginning either but I was looking for more control, and that's what the opportunity offered.
Now its a long story moreover I come to your question of how much time and money I loose to make right?
Well at the time I was making money in Germany which was a good income, I had to work for the money because it was spent on life and some savings. But as I started getting the education through this business I realized how much money I had wasted on the toys which I use to buy with it. And I started investing as I was taught together with business and have got many residual income streams which meet my daily,weekly,monthly, yearly goals.
You must be saying I didn't mention the figures because people who haven't seen the business with an open mind would feel as boasting which is what you people felt so I would better spare it. But I am working hard to be free this time not to stay in the rat race. We can always talk on the subject next time or more..... now to your next query about the example of a doctor.
I actually wanted to make a point between a doctor and the subject of medicine, which means if for any reason the patient dies or is still ill doesn't mean that science of medicine didn't work it was the individual who cured could not perform well. We the distributors know that new people try to build the business their way and they make mistakes in talking to people like the "doctor"in the example. But the network Marketing industry is an industry of learning and growing and not of punishing as in the corporate industry so everybody is welcome to make their own mistakes.
Well I am still learning to be financially intelligent and have more "ASSETS" taking care of my expenses. I have my own blog too if you like I can share it with you next time.
But Brijesh I appreciate you for keeping me on the blog and I know that I am not perfect. I have only told you what I gained and I am still learning.
I know this business is not for everybody but the new people when they see the opportunity do such things. I apologize to you and all for the mistakes and we want you guys to live life as you want to.
I love you all !!

God bless.

August 29, 2008 1:20 PM  
Blogger Joecool said...

Good post. I also have a quixtar related blog:

http://joecool-quixtar-thedreamorthescheme.blogspot.com/

September 02, 2008 9:31 PM  
Blogger soram said...

Job is a trap.You work for thirty years and end up with a meagre pension.Why dont you all who posted comments against Amway just shun jobs and brand them as scams.People shamelessly lick ministers' boots to bribe them for a job.Why don't you all hang your faces in shame.Amway is a great opportunity which only a selected few who really want to help others can do and will do.The rest of you....God save you...Bye...don't have time to waste.

October 28, 2008 6:33 AM  
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November 04, 2008 3:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

superb post!!...i was about to fall into the grave but thankfully researched on the internet about the plight of the poor IBOS.I dont understand why people dont get of the trap once they realise..or is it that they never realise and get sucked away as into a swamp...

November 21, 2008 6:12 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Why don't you just mind your own business?
Didn't you notice a BIG international bank going plight recently.
Wake up man wake up.
Look at Amway products "TODAY" they haven't increased rates although there is recession going in the world. No decreasing sizes of products and the poor IBO's still have the same income....he ....he...he

November 21, 2008 6:25 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

I will give you more later I am in a hurry right now. Check the sales and marketing plan of Amway again it is recession and inflation proof plan.
We are not bothered about the STOCK MARKET. They can do whatever but can't even come near to Amway.

November 21, 2008 6:27 AM  
Blogger Brijesh Nair said...

@ Sukhjinder Longia
"poor IBO's still have the same income" - it doesn't matter for the "poor IBO's" - during time of recession or boom they earn virtually nothing. So how does it affect "poor IBOs"

November 21, 2008 6:32 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Thank you for ADMITTING they have "SAME" incomes because my dear if you open your EYES its recession. Have you ever had a BUSINESS by the way?

November 21, 2008 11:28 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Not Amway any business? You won't be able to understand Amway anyhow. Because people who don't have a dream won't see an opportunity which is free of cost.
Now why don't all succeed because not everybody wants to learn the business. How could anybody teach you to drive a car if he himself can't?
Don't come up with another argument you know what I mean.

November 21, 2008 11:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Caveat empator. It's your fault if you sign on to a pyramid scheme.

Buy X stock! It's going go to up bunches!

Same thing. You bear the risk.

November 26, 2008 3:46 PM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Go out and study Amway. A full chapter is dedicated to Amway when you study MBA.
There are classes conducted in Delhi, India on Amway too.
Go ask FICCI about pyramid schemes. If you don't like something doesn't mean it is not good.
Go do some homework http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com

November 27, 2008 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Kratos said...

Sukhjinder Longia, you are a total Quixtar/Amway extremist. Do you realize that since I have left Amway, I have more than 20k in savings and am nearly 85% done in paying off my home! I guess one has to go through Amway just to realize how fortunate they really were with their careers. Sorry, I'll stick to being an informed consumer rather than a down-in-the-dirt "prosumer." You do realize that the book on prosuming power is written by a guy who is an IBO and half the shit he says in there is just that: shit.

January 03, 2009 2:51 PM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

You are a born employee. You will remain one. Savers are losers. Keep saving for the next inflation to come. HA..HA...HA...HA...HA...HA.
You are busted and want others to join the rat race.
My dear friend when will you understand AMWAY is an OPPORTUNITY not a SCHEME or a SCAM.
If you don't like it don't do it. End of the story.

Have you ever earned more than what you have ever thought of?? The answer is NO. So how would you know the power of HAVING money. Tell me??

You were broke and you are still broke. Why? Because if you paid your home loan and saved few bucks means you have paid for a liability, your home, and a person who is excited to BUY liabilities has to LEARN a lot in life.
The question is what do you plan to be?
Do you plan to be rich or do you plan to be poor?
If I travel with plane doesn't means I own it? And after getting out of the airport I may take a taxi or may walk to where I want to reach,my destination?
How often do we have to tell you Amway is a similar vehicle. You travel with it if you like to otherwise keep driving or traveling with what you like to.
Leave us alone.
Kissi ke baap ka kya jattaa hai agar hum Amway business karte hain??

January 04, 2009 2:06 PM  
Blogger quixtarisacult said...

Brijesh Nair,

Appreciate your post as well. The only thing I can say at the moment is that I am surprised that you have not been visited by the Swedish Swinder, IBOFB, a.k.a. as insider, a.k.a. as David Steadson, the amway apologist, intent to defraud by denying the Amway 'financial holocaust' and swindle others into joining the 'trap!' This scoundrel usually shows up to set those who besmirch his beloved Amway Scam and repeat the same lies he tells over and over again.

Word is indeed getting out about Amway's 'closed market swindle' and indeed now you know! David Brear has a new post up about Amway in India which can be read by clicking here.

March 17, 2009 4:09 PM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Thank you for at least a considerable reply.
As far as this man David is concerned I took few seconds to read his mentioned blog. mmmm....well he has the time to write all this and I don't know what he does for his living.
Lets wait and watch.

March 17, 2009 5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sukhjinder,
I can just laugh reading your comments. I have met these Amway (Quixtar guys here.) Grocery stores or supermarkets, they are there to bug you. You say its NOT a scam. Its business bla bla bla. How come its not a SCAM?
You say you are earning enough. You could not be earning enough if you are not buying Amway products AND have enough people enrolled through you. When you get people enrolled you show false promises of becoming a millionaire to them. This, in my opinion, is a SCAM.

March 24, 2009 2:25 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

@ Anonymous
Its difficult for you to get the reality.
Actually you made a statement in this comment that I can't get rich without making any purchases from Amway. And that my friend is the OPPORTUNITY which you don't see. Because YOU don't understand the word "business". I am not disturbed by it because mostly people are not aware what business is.
I will explain in simple words; business means selling and buying of goods and services. If there is a transaction of such kind happening that means we are in business. Now we come to Amway: it is a manufacturing company. It also wants to sell its goods and services. Fortunately Amway manufactures 450 products and has 550 patents. There are various lines of products that Amway manufactures like Home care, Personal care, Skin care, Nutrition & Wellness and many partner stores plus many other services like insurance, visa cards etc.
The OPPORTUNITY is to buy goods on wholesale for personal use and if you want to earn more you can do so by retailing the same goods and services to your own personal customer base. This is not all. You have another OPPORTUNITY to have a BIG business by helping your personal customers to have their own business (if they want to). It has to be shown once and asked to join if they want.
Let me put it all together. AMWAY = SELLING PRODUCTS AND SERVICES TO PEOPLE
1. PEOPLE = BUYING PRODUCTS AND SERVICES FOR PERSONAL USE AND GET 20% WHOLESALE .
2. PEOPLE WHO WANT A PERSONAL BUSINESS = RETAIL (EARNINGS 20% MARGIN) + MERCHANDISE ( EARNINGS 40%-50% MIDDLEMAN COSTS, DIRECT SELLING).
It can't be put simpler than that.
I give you a question to ask yourself, Where do you buy your goods and services from?

March 24, 2009 7:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I AM EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS PYRAMID! I JUST LOST $180 THIS MONTH AND AM JACKED ABOUT IT! I WILL LOOSE MORE NEXT AND NEXT AND NEXT AND NEXT AND SOOOO ON. I WILL ALSO TEACH OTHER TO DUPLICATE ME SO TO HELP THEM BUILD THEIR OWN DREAMS. AS YOU ALREADY REALIZE I AM DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY AND COULDN'T CARE LESS! I SPELL FREEDOM AND LOVE FREEDOM! AND IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL THE SARCASM BEHIND IT, I GUESS YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE THAT OUT FOR A MAN CONVINCED AGAINST HIS WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL. I AM JACKED ABOUT IT! NEXT!

May 09, 2009 12:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With all due respect,

But after all the comments and replies Mr. Sukhjibder Singh had not dared to post exact amount he earns through amway


LOL

May 09, 2009 11:10 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

Means you are convinced that One makes money in Amway? Is this what you want to know and see?

What good will it do to you and your skeptic community if I told you my income?
Will it help you pay your bills?
Will it serve in any way?

May 09, 2009 6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of my classmate had joined a similar mlm business when we were in college pursuing graduation...used to skip lectures to do "business".It was observed that his marketing skills related to that particular mlm had become too sharp.could read peoples minds. Every person was an "business opportunity" for him. He did not even leave his best friends...tried even college profs..he managed to succesfully rope in 2 of our classmates....Later they disassociated themselves and started concentrating on studies..Side by side they did part time salary jobs as data entry and back office...This guy continued with his "business"...What happened? ..Zero attendence...missed lectures..missed practical sessions..no project submitted...I even heard that he was once beaten up by some people he tried to sell his opportunity...I heard from friends that this went to an extent of possibility of legal case...Last i heard from someone that he ran off to his village...This guy left his graduation incomplete and normal life for his "business"?..
I even knew one uncle who was staying in our locality..he was above 50 , ws working in back office for a big corporation..use to have business opporunity meets in his home..calling new people..he even knew the questions people would ask so they were answered tactically & impresively..In brief...lots happened..many became involved in the mlm..But in the end some angry "visitor cum potential member" guy went and told his office that he is doing this business. He was immediately asked from office either do office job or your mlm. He was terminated from job.. His financial condition became worse with his childrens education still to be completed. The whole "business" had overtaken his life...he sold his 1bhk house and went to live somewhere else....
The interesting thing is that the mlm opportunity of the above two stories are of one same Company.
That day i met such a mlm "business person" in train (he was also from the same organization) ,i extracted this info from him...he spoke a lot ..abt dreams.money.luxuries.he ws getting on my nerves..As if all normal job doing Indians are fools.I didnt like it.I straight away loudly by politely said "No I am not interested.I am an ordinary person. You talk abt business..but r you going to give me a salaried Job guarantee in writing about business whether you like it or not i intend to keep my life simple.You have a problem..find some one else.."
He got off on the next station..
(The key to survival is that when these "persons" speak never open up your emotions.Even if you are a strong person from outside it is this "emotional outbreak" that is used by them to gain an entry point in your life, i.e. to rope you in into "the business".these are very smart people.They can be anybody waiting for the "right opportunity".. the business opportunity? The techniques used here are some of the most powerful motivational and emotional business techniques in the world.

My view if you are doing a normal job with less pay..Do it.Be proud of it. I am 22 year old science graduate with first class and still doing further studies and earn around 5000 rupees p/m to support my family and i am proud of it. Nobody will come to give you a permanant salaried job. If you have it, concentrate on it. Believe in GOD not most "mlm business opportunities". GOD created this world for you the mlm companies did not create it.And after your daily work job just be an ordinary normal person. The universal truth..those who do it let them do it.it is their choice for not only success but mere survival to feed themselves and their families.Forget d luxuries of life.Also if you still need to be cautious try an internet search about thse opportunities and decide for yourselves...By the way there is also a free e-book available for download on a member's experience with such an mlm company.

August 28, 2009 7:51 AM  
Anonymous Lakshmi said...

In my opinion,definition of Business is NOT Transaction. One way to understand Business is - There is a legitimate unmet NEED among people and somebody finds/understands that NEED and offers a value adding product or service to meet that unmet NEED. In exchange for that value adding product/service we trade money. That's the bottomline of any healthy business transaction. Anything else is bound to fail in the long run.

One way of evaluating If Amway or any other business model is ask this simple question...1.What is the unmet NEED? 2. Am I offering VALUE ADDING product or service for that unmet NEED..? I fear amway/quixtar fails on both questions...

People who join Amway seem to mix two things together. One is the books they read to educate themselves(Which is great). Concepts related to financial independence/ entrepreneurship/ personal development/ understanding personality types to influence etc educated through the books their upline recommend to read. But since these recommendations come from AMWAY/QUIXTAR, people seem to inter-relate/confound the learning with Amway and begin to take a stand for the company. This phenomenon is called Anchoring. Since reading these books enriches them, they convince themselves that even though they experience losses, it benefits them to improve their personality/life skills which they think is not available otherwise.

Why is this scheme not banned by the govt..The word is that this company has strong lobby in Washington and is one of the heavy contributors to a leading party in the US.

Now my question is why are these AMWAY/QUIXTAR guys not straight-forward with any questions people ask? They either answer Whisy-Washy or retort with another question....Not to take a shot at Sukjinder..but he is yet to answer how much money he had made after asking more than once.

I wonder anybody read 'Merchants of Deception'..A free download written by a former Amway guy.

July 30, 2010 6:29 AM  
Blogger Deep said...

I guess a simple question would be, If this 'opportunity' is so great, why arent the 'Business Owners' not have people eating out of their hands i.e. why do they have to ambush people @ grocery stores et al? Shouldn't it be the other way round? Wouldn't it be popular by public demand? Something like a formal education, people go get admissions rather than colleges recruting in Grocery Stores. McD doesn't sell its franchise in random places. The way 'the biz' is defined, its just trying selling refrigerators to eskimos, not to say there arent people who do that, just that its not an awesome job, to put it extremely mildly.

February 25, 2011 4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DESI DOCTOR
I totally agree. They are brainwashed cult members. I went to a walmart in Lewis Center, OH twice this month and both times I found two very friendly Desis who managed to get my telephone number. I told them that I am a highly successful young working doctor , but they still wanted me to be a part of Amway. Both were Platinum IBOs. They told me their business model. Just recruit other people. I asked, "You are a recruiter and want me to recruit other people and I will get a cut from the product sales. BUT WHO IS SELLING THE PRODUCTS. I ONLY SEE RECRUITERS. HOW IS THIS COMPANY MAKING MONEY". I then found out company and upline(people WAY.. above you in the pyramid) make money by selling mandatory CDs, attendance fees for seminars etc TO THE IBOs. Nobody sells the products to ordinary civilians like us. 80% of the products (shampoo, soaps vitamins etc) are consumed by IBOs themselves. All of these IBOs loose money as they have to buy CDs and attend these pricey indoctrination seminars/meetings. It is like a lamb, handing a knife to a butcher.

One more thing. They are on H1Bs,F1s etc and by joining Amway as IBO they are violating their visa terms for unauthorized work. This has been confirmed by lawyers including Sheila Murthy. They get a tax form called 1099-MISC form from Amway which has to be entered in the tax return and is thus admission of violation of VISA terms. They can get into big trouble with USCIS if they get caught or if somebody takes a look at their income tax return during visa interview.

I pity them, but I also hate them for pulling innocent FOB desis into this sh*t with them and also making me think that every desi with a smile is an Amway Scumbag.

November 08, 2011 12:24 AM  
Blogger Sukhjinder Longia said...

If you have guts say "NO".
Don't worry and be who you are. Don't get upset. Don't join Amway. I suggest create a badge written "Please Don't Contact For Amway" and wear it on your chest. They must know who you are to not to contact you. Because people who are in 'a' business, not only Amway are following you as it is. The follow you through TV or Newspaper ads or magazine ads.

Mazzaa karo dost. Make the best of your life!

November 08, 2011 4:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was new to the US, I met an Indian man at the local post office. He was very friendly and told me how he was self employed. I was new and easily trust people, specially when they talked in Hindi as that is my mother tongue. The man then invited me to a meeting, he asked me to dress formally. I was charged 30$ entree fee. In the meeting I saw hoards of people all dressed very well and on stage a select few people doing a presentation of how rich they were and all the good things in life they had, during dinner break I was shocked to see there was no dinner served! If every one there is so rich and the meeting was of filthy rich people and 30$ entree fee I was expecting a dinner! I was amazed to see these men and women in suits pull out wall-mart bags of home made food from their swanky leather briefcases and eating while they stood out of the hall, no table chair to have dinner, having directly from plastic bags standing. I was truly amazed. The man who got me to the meeting then asked me to fill form and pay couple of hundred dollars, I dint want to so I said I need to think. His wife was very good looking and she was a very sweet lady, he knew I enjoyed her company so he made sure she was the one who explained me the business when I went to his house. He would go to get Ice cream or some crap and leave us alone so she could explain me in detail about the Marketing crap. She would call me when he was not home so she could explain to me everything about the business, she did a great job. She tried her best to convince me to join their growing business, she was very warm lady full of hugs at smallest reasons, she hugged me a lot and told me she felt I was her long lost relative and she hugged me saying I was part of their family. I also made him pay for a few dinners in hope I will join, later he understood I am not interested and gave up.

January 20, 2012 2:27 AM  
Blogger Jennifer Kumar, Cross-Cultural Coach said...

Looks like this is an ongoing touchy topic!!

I am not sure Quixtar or Amway or any pyramid model is a scam- but how the people in that operation run it is questionable.

The main thing any pyramid scheme does is prey on people's wishes, dreams while at the same time preying on their shortcomings and misfortunes. People who are successful at such businesses (as one of your commentors) are self-assured, understand the business, the model and how to be a good salesperson. There are a lot of skills involved in being a business person. But these pyramid schemes make one feel like no skill is needed and the products sell themselves. That's not true! Why else would companies like GM and others have to file bankruptcy after having a long history? It's because somewhere along the line something went wrong!!

Myself personally, I am not Indian, but I know all too well about how many desis take part in this and was almost lured in to this and other similar schemes by few different desis and even attended meetings on the same lines. I just know myself and know I would not do well at something like that. But again overall I am not the person they want, because I fall in the middle. I know I wouldn't do well so I stay away, but I am curious but not willing to really participate. I have purchased some of their products with mixed reviews.

March 23, 2012 5:58 AM  

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